Christian fundamentalism as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalism

Anders Behring Breivik the man who killed76 people in two terror attacks did not bring the carnage of one fanatically driven man, because everything seemed neatly planned and he claims to have worked alongside “two more” terror cells.

Friday’s atrocities seem to have been of secondary importance to Breivik. The slaughter was a kind of terrorist PR. That is how his rejected request for an open trial should be viewed: a failed attempt to reach a global audience with violent anti-Muslim propaganda. In fact, as claimed in his manifesto: “A trial is an excellent opportunity and a well-suited arena the Justiciar Knight can use to publicly renounce the authority of the EUSSR/USASSR hegemony and the specific cultural Marxist/multi-culturalist regime.”
He published a 12-minute video and 1,516 page manifesto, “2083: A European Declaration of Independence” which contains a terrorist’s DIY kit – how to build bombs, operate weapons and so on.

Islam in New Zealand book launch, 2007. Young ...

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In most cultures and religions, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, we are able to find people who think to be holier than the founder of that religion or who have grown and become increasingly dedicated to preserving their religious tradition. They do not always keep to the rules and regulations or to the teachings of the original originator of that religion. Some consider for example that the vast majority of Muslim fundamentalists are pious individuals who strictly follow the teachings of Mohammed, promote regular attendance at mosques, and promote the reading of the Qur’an. But I would more see groups that misuse the Quran and their power over other people who do not know enough what is really written in those scriptures. That is also what we see by a lot of fundamentalist Christians where we can a.o. find doom preachers who say a lot of awful things about others, use just a few Bible quotes out of context, but never do read a Bible chapter.

We can question when certain religions or people make a choice to limit others in their functions and well-being. Those persons who uniformly place a high priority on doctrinal conformity, with such force that it takes higher priority than love, compassion and service should also be questioned. Everybody who notices that a certain individual or group is going onto the road of preaching hate and behaving in a separate doctrinal seriousness, that love, service and compassion seem scarcely to even be a part of their thinking, should ring the alarm. When people start to claim that they are right to the exclusion of others, even all others, and that they, and they alone offer the path to salvation, others should know that there is something ‘itchy’. It goes totally wrong when exclusion is brought in against others even by wishing them serious difficulties or even death. An example is the attempt, by some Christian fundamentalist groups to shut down, by force, abortion clinics that are operating in accordance with the law. Some have gone so far as to threaten and intimidate employees, and even murder doctors working there. They justify their murder against the so called injustice of murdering the foetus.

Power, vanity, but also the possibility to let others think for you attracts people to a seemingly secure base of law and order. A fundamentalist need not think deeply about doctrine or be highly educated in it. As one Mormon leader once said to an audience of university students, “Don’t think for yourself. The thinking has already been done.” By most fundamentalist religions there is the thinking that God needs them, as if god could not do it on His own. God, whose measure is not ours,  does not need humans to fulfil His plan. But those extremists even think Gods Plan cannot come to fulfilment without their action. They are such pretentious people that they think they are the only ones who can help God and that they are better than all the rest of humankind.

Anders Breivik also thought it necessary to be a crusader for God. He felt guilty if he would not take action against all those who refused to keep to a pure race of Christian people. According to himself he was a laid-back type and quite tolerant on most issues. But due to the fact that he had been exposed to decades of multicultural indoctrination, he felt a need to emphasise that he was not in fact a racist and never has been. He had a Nordic ideal, and for at least nine years, he meticulously crafted his plan to root out anyone different from him. His beliefs recall neo-Nazi politics that continue to linger throughout Europe, freshened with a new, 21st century toxicity.

We always have to remember how many Scandinavians collaborated with the Nazis and how we still can find many strong extremist groups over there. For some of them it is a sort of religion and a lot of what they do is accepted as the good thing to do for the cause.

The Norwegian who killed so many Norwegians has his name Breivik from Behring a pre-Christian Germanic name derived from Behr, the Germanic word for bear (or “those who are protected by the bear”). The world now needed to be protected by him.

For Breivik his government and the Nordic media capitulated to Islam years ago, after the Rushdie incident. Since then it has snowballed according to him. “Thousands of Muslims stream in each year through the asylum, institutions or family connections in Norway.” He said.

Being questioned: “If you were to use a word for the ideology or movement that you represent, what would it be?” He says: “Cultural conservatism, or a nationalist/conservative orientation known as the Vienna school of thought. As for the political movement, I would describe it as a national resistance movement, an indigenous-rights movement or even a right-revolutionary movement.”

For him his homeland had abandoned the thru Nordic spirit and taken on a cultural Marxists attitude. This treason could not be pardoned and the country needed a reprimand. But Breivik says, against all odds, if they gave up on multiculturalism tomorrow, if they stopped all Muslim immigration and started the deportation of all Muslims, he would forgive them for their past crimes. If they refuse to surrender until 2020, there will be no turning back and he talks than about a “We “will eventually wipe out every single one of them. Though he says he does not hate Muslims at all. He acknowledges that there are magnificent Muslim individuals in Europe. In fact, he has had several Muslim friends over the years, some who he still respects.

“Aber” This does not mean that he will accept an Islamic presence in Europe. Muslim individuals who are not assimilated 100% by 2020 he saw being deported as soon as he and others could have managed to seize power.

The strange thing is that he considers it to be a force of love. But that is just what fundamentalists give their way of doing so, having the excuse that they are driven by their love for the pure culture and in this instance Europe, European culture and Europeans.

We do have to be careful how we want to look at extremism and fundamentalism. When the media thought that the perpetrator had to be a Muslim extremist, the discussion focused on Islam. As soon as it turned out that the perpetrator was likely a Christian extremist, talk about religion vanished and was replaced with wild speculations about mental illness.

But not only is there the danger of Muslim fundamentalists, the growing number of Christian fundamentalists groups is something we have to take care of.

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  • Anders Behring Breivik – probably not a ‘fundamentalist Christian’ (waddell.wordpress.com)
    these dreadful attacks were caused not by an Islamist, but by a self-professed Christian named Anders Behring Breivik. He described them as “gruesome but necessary” and pledged to explain why. Norwegian police say that while he has admitted the killings, he has not accepted criminal responsibility for them.
    Christians, the world over, will hate the idea that the man who bombed Oslo, killing 8, and later shot dead 68 people on Utøya claims to be drawn from their community. I must disclose I am a Christian; it makes me feel deeply embarrassed, but not ashamed.I am not ashamed, because it is not Christian behaviour. It runs counter to the teachings of Christ, and it is not typical of Christian people.
  • Norway Shooter-Bomber Not Christian, Probably Not Lone (dakotavoice.com)
    anyone who is truly a Christian, who understands Christianity and God’s Word, knows there is no way in the universe that the evil animal (or animals) who committed those atrocious murders is anything remotely resembling a Christian, much less a Christian fundamentalist—which simply means a Christian who believes in the fundamental truths of the Bible without all the man-made extras that some “Christian” religions add to it.  This lost, young man’s actions cannot in any way be considered the behavior of a Christian.
  • Six Reasons Why Norwegian Mass Murderer Is NOT a Christian (fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com)
    He says he’s not religious: “Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man.” Over and over again, Breivik goes out of his way to make clear to readers of his manifesto that he is not motivated by Christian faith: “I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person, as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment…. Religion is a crutch for many weak people…I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet.”
  • Norway Massacre: Modern Christian Terrorism? (setwatchman.com)
    The 32-year-old who was baptised into the Protestant Church at age 15 of his own free will has grown increasingly disillusioned with the modern Church. He has shown support for an “indirect collective conversion” of the Protestant Church back to the Catholic Church.On the “Church” he blogged:“Today’s Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic.”
  • Breivik: A Living Definition Of Christianism (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com)
    One of the core messages of Christianity is a rejection of worldly power. The core message of  Christianism is, in stark contrast, the desperate need to control all the levers of political power to control or guide the lives of others. And so the notion that Breivik is a “Christian fundamentalist” seems unfair to those genuine Christian fundamentalists who seek no power over others (except proselytizing), but merely seek to live their own lives in accord with a literal belief in the words of the Bible.Notice the absence of real faith, which would recoil even at the very thought of killing innocents, but the pragmatic, cold-blooded useof faith as a psychological mechanism to enable mass murder.He did what he did, knowing it was evil, because of a passionate commitment to a political cause, which has become fused with a politicized parody of one religion, and with a passionate paranoid hatred of another one.
  • Overheard on CNN.com: Should Breivik be called a Christian fundamentalist? (news.blogs.cnn.com)
    “I find it interesting that when the terrorists are Muslims, people jump all over their faith, yet when they’re Christian, they say that their religion had nothing to do with their act of terrorism. Double standard much?”–WillH85
  • Anders Breivik’s War on Multiculturalism (tinfoilhatman45.wordpress.com)
    Anders Breivik is an excellent example of how extreme intolerance can breed hate and violence.
    Breivik’s personal war on multiculturalism and liberal ideology is by no means unique nor is it an isolated incident. His tactics were tried and true; create a diversion, and go after the real targets; in this case, the children of the left wing Norwegian ruling elite, under the cover of the chaos created by the diversion. He followed a game plan put in place by many terrorists before him. If there were a hall of fame for domestic terrorism, Breivik would have a plaque right next to Timothy McVeigh.Breivik is an extreme extension of the right wing group mentality; there is an ever growing resistance across the globe toward immigrants, Muslims in particular, and Nationalism is becoming as strong as ever. There is a concerted effort by conservatives in almost every country to close their borders, as well as their societies, in order to protect their own from those “damn foreigners.”
  • The Norway Terrorist (americandefenseleague.wordpress.com)
    McVeigh’s bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City took place sixteen years ago. Unlike Muslim fundamentalists who theologically justify their acts of terrorism, McVeigh can not rightly be characterized as a “Christian terrorist,” because he was, by his own admission, not a committed Christian, and he carried out the attack not because God or the Bible commanded him to, but because he hated the U.S. government. And yet after all these years his name remains virtually the sole flimsy example that people have at the ready to challenge what they consider to be the stereotype of Islamic terrorism.Bruce Bawer, the author of Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom who lives in Norway, notes the broader concern that “legitimate criticism of Islam, which remains a very real threat to freedom in Norway and the West, has been profoundly discredited by association with this murderous lunatic.” As the European anti-jihad blogger Fjordmanputs it, Breivik

    has scored a major victory for his opponents. An agent provocateur seeking to discredit the right-wing conservative sliver of the European political spectrum would have a hard time doing a better job… It is the perfect excuse to persecute and silence opposing voices… We’re heading for dark days.

  • Mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik faces a judge – and explains why he killed 76 people(The Independent)Related articles in the Independent:
  • Behring Breivik sent his manifesto to Vlaams Belang lawmaker(Flanders News)One of the recipients of the email addressed to ‘Patriots of Western Europe’ is the Belgian far right lawmaker, Tanguy Veys. Veys, an MP for the Vlaams Belang party, has taken the email to the judicial services:”This is an email in which he (Behring Breivik) lauds his tome that is included as an attachment. It was sent an hour before the facts saying that he had such plans. He has sent his tome – some 4 Megabytes big – to me and several thousand other email addresses.”VRT News: are you familiar with the other recipients?

    “No, no, no! There are no people among the recipients who I readily recognise. It is amalgam of European and other email addresses. It’s an amalgam of European and other email addresses.”

    Read more: Behring Breivik singled out Belgian targets

  • An Interview with a Madman: Breivik Asks and Answers His Own Questions
    Murderers don’t always fold under questioning. Even the most deranged killer can often remain implacable in the face of interrogators.

  • Is ‘Christian fundamentalist’ label correct for Norway terror suspect? (smokesomething.wordpress.com)
    Is he a “fundamentalist Christian,” though? In what way is this a verified as fact? I’m seeing it all over the place, but while his ideology is pretty clear, I’m not seeing (yet) where he is pronouncing himself a Christian, fundamentalist or otherwise; I’m not reading about church-affiliations. I’m sure if he has written anything that will emphasize his faith, we’ll be seeing it. He may very well be a “fundamentalist Christian”, but as of right now, I see nothing in the press to back it up beyond they’re saying so.
  • Mass Murderer with Headshots? – UPDATED (patheos.com)
    Some of the commenters at Althouse — who saw the page before it was taken down — suggest that it was fake:He’s a Norwegian nationalist guy. Why is the page in English, and why are the cultural products mentioned (books, TV, games) primarily English-language? I’m assuming the answer for being in English is that he wanted the biggest possible audience for presenting himself, but why the lack of Norwegian content? It seems like the Facebook page, which was very recently concocted, was created for our benefit, as part of his post-massacre publicity package. [. . .] What I find odd is that I got a chance to look at the FB page before it got shut down. There were no friends, no groups just a bunch of posts about music plus the odd interests in movies/games/tv that were 100% American.
  • The Norwegian Terrorist Attack Vindicates The Islamic Faith for Once (socyberty.com)
    While we have to mourn the youth and other Nrowegians who were mindlessly killed by Terrorist Breivik, it is probably time for the world to realize that the propensity to be a terrorist is a human vice that infects not just Muslims, but even Christian Fundamentalists. It would be a face saving act if the journalists who had already insinuated that the attack was the work of Alqaeda Muslims, retracted their statements and apologized to the Muslims this time round.

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    The self-confessed mass murderer of 76 people in Norway was an apparently normal youth who showed no signs of what he was planning even in the months right before the massacre, his ex-stepmother Tove Oevermo told The Associated Press.

    Oevermo and Breivik’s father divorced 10 years later, around the time Breivik claims, in his 1,500-page manifesto, that he became estranged from his father. Oevermo, 66, recalled the split, but declined to comment on what precipitated it. She did say, however, that she got the feeling Breivik wanted to have a relationship with his father, though he never spoke of their relationship.

    Breivik would often speak of a book he was writing, Oevermo said. He was proud of the book, but was evasive about its contents.

    Breivik spoke about politics “like every normal person does, not more than that. He never touch Islam and this hatred for it he must have had for it,” Oevermo said.

    As for the attack itself, Oevermo said she was horrified to learn the “quite informed and well spoken” man she had known.

    “People say, ‘I’m shocked.’ They don’t know what shock is all about, physically and psychologically. It was so unreal. I couldn’t believe it. I refused to believe it,” she said. “If I’d had some kind of suspicion — some kind of idea that something was not right with him, it would have been easier, I think.”

    Not only in Italy were there is still a strong fascist group we could find some reactions to think of.

    A politician in a party in Italy’s governing coalition called some of Norway massacre suspect Anders Behring Breivik’s ideas “great” while the leader of a British far-right group to which Breivik claims links called the attacks a sign of “growing anger” in Europe against Muslim immigrants.

    Mario Borghezio, a European parliamentarian who belongs to Italy’s right-wing Northern League party, told a mainstream Italian radio station that he sympathized with some of Breivik’s ideas.

    “Some of the ideas he expressed are good, barring the violence, some of them are great,” he told Il Sole-24 Ore radio station.

    The Northern League, the junior partner in Premier Silvio Berlusconi’s government, has caused a stir with its increasingly virulent anti-immigrant, anti-Islamic rhetoric.

    Meanwhile, Stephen Lennon, leader of the English Defense League, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he does not condone Breivik’s rampage but “the fact that so many people are scared – people have to listen to that.”

    “People should look at what happened in Oslo and understand that there is growing anger in Europe,” said Lennon, 28. “You suppress people’s rights you suppress people’s voices and people will just continue to go underground – but that doesn’t make the problem go away.”

    Also Patrick Buchanan gives us something to look out for, as he wrote:
    “Breivik is evil – a cold-blooded, calculating killer – though a deluded man of some intelligence, who in his 1,500-page manifesto reveals a knowledge of the history, culture and politics of Europe. …

    But, awful as this atrocity was, native-born and homegrown terrorism is not the macro-threat to the continent.

    That threat comes from a burgeoning Muslim presence in a Europe that has never known mass immigration, its failure to assimilate, its growing alienation, and its sometime sympathy for Islamic militants and terrorists.

    With her native-born populations aging, shrinking and dying, Europe’s nations have not discovered how to maintain their prosperity without immigrants. Yet the immigrants who have come – from the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia – have been slow to learn the language and have failed to attain the educational and occupational levels of Europeans. And the welfare states of Europe are breaking under the burden. “

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    Mr.Buchanan’s writing is the biased idea of the predisposed general people opposing a growing cultural amalgam and a danger and prevention to cultural diversity. It are those ideas which are also a threat for the evolution of a inter-cultural global society
    He is clearly creating a soil for anger against something which can only be attributed to a few fundamentalist groups which sickens all the rest.

    Others should look out and also be careful for the extreme right wing ideas.

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  5. Breivik identifies himself as “100% Christian” in his manifesto (p. 1403), and he certainly talks incessantly about defending “Christian” civilization. But he also makes clear that his Christianity is a simply pose adopted for political reasons. Answering why he chose to align himself with a group supposedly espousing “Christian values,” he states: “My choice was based purely [on] pragmatism.” (p. 1380) He goes on to explain that “Christianity” has far more “mass appeal” than nationalism, white supremacy, or a revival of paganism, and so it is a more effective “banner” under which to build his movement. (p. 1381) In sum, Breivik views religion like Machiavelli viewed religion–as a political tool. It’s worth noting that Machiavelli’s The Princeis listed by Breivik as one of his favorite books. (p. 1407)
    As for his own religious beliefs and practices, Breivik frankly admits: “I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment.” (p. 1344, emphasis added) Indeed, Breivik acknowledges that he used to believe that “Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.” He continues: “Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state f[or] example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well.” (p. 1344, emphasis added) In other words, at best he views his embrace of religion as a psychological crutch to give him strength for his horrific activities. Although he adds that he has not yet actually prayed to God for strength, he expects that he may do so when he goes on his murderous rampage: “If praying will act as an additional mental boost/soothing it is the pragmatical thing to do. I guess I will find out… If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past.” (p. 1345) Note the “if” in his statement about whether God exists. Breivik himself doesn’t even appear to believe in God. He frequently identifies himself as a “cultural Christian,” a term which he defines at one point as the same thing as a “Christian atheist.” (p. 1360)

    Unsurprisingly, Breivik’s idea of “cultural Christianity” has little to do with Christianity as most people would understand that term. For example, Breivik makes clear that to join his movement for cultural Christianity “[i]t is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus.” (p. 1361) Indeed, Breivik would like to expand “Christianity” to include those who worship the Norse pagan god Odin. Breivik calls for the Christian church to be “re-create[d]… as a nationalistic Church which will tolerate and allow (to a very large degree) native cultures/heritage/thought systems such as Odinism.” (p. 1361) And despite using the adjective “cultural,” Breivik’s “cultural Christianity” doesn’t leave much room for Christians to actually influence society apart from social rituals. Indeed, Breivik emphasizes that he wants a secular European state where “[t]he Church and church leaders will not be allowed to influence non-cultural political matters in any way. This includes science, research and development and all non-cultural areas which will benefit Europe in the future. This will also include all areas relating to procreation/birth/fertility policies and related issues of scientific importance (reprogenetics).” (p. 1137)

    As can be seen, Breivik harbors a special concern that Christians not be able to influence issues related to science and pubic policy “in any way.” Why?

    Because he sees biological science–not traditional religion–as the ultimate savior of society. In his view, advances in biology will makes possible a vigorous new form of Social Darwinism that will save the Nordic race through positive eugenics.

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  6. Some people would say that this world is messed up. When you look at your television screen you probably get a picture of how right they are. Everywhere you see the fighting going on,cars blowing up along with buildings and people. People walking around shooting people and kids. Corrupt governments mismanaging their countries resulting in people and children starving to death. People who have the responsibility to protect citizens shooting those they are meant to protect. There are stabbings, shootings, muggings, and other such actions where the strong are forcing themselves upon the weak.

    We even find people thinking they are serving their god by killing themselves and other people. Perhaps you are feeling a little uncomfortable watching on your television 11 million people starve to death in Africa. But we should realize that Africa is not the only place with drought. It is one of the places with people dying from it, but there are places were there is a much more dangerous drought.

    These days there seems to be much more rain at certain places. Water is physically falling down from heaven. But the spiritual water is not running at all.

    The Scandinavian countries may be dark countries, but in Belgium there is not so much sunshine either. In what could be a small cosy environment the rainbow is not showing its beautiful colours. Many people at the continent do not want to see a much brighter light than the sun can give them. It brings light to darkness and allows us to see that God is not satisfied to allow sin to dictate or for the enemy to have his way.

    We have a choice, to remain in our suffering or to receive the hope God has held out to us by His son.
    The world it’s roots may be rotten from sin and there is no way it can help itself but Jesus holds out a healing hand of compassion and love. Even our own lives can become a source of great hope and healing as we allow him to change our perspective and way of feeling and seeing. We can make the decision to be part of the problem, suffering in our misery, or, part of the solution, trusting God and living a life of hope.

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