Migrants to the West #3

In previous articles I said already that the media play a central role not be underestimated in internationalizing integration debates by framing and linking local issues to international events. I also mentioned the feeling of superiority of the European community. European integration politics is fixated on the role as manager of integration, multiplied by the European self-image as supervisor of civilization. The individual countries prefer to have most of the control and are afraid the European Union as governing state is willing to have more say into the debate. But I think Europe is to soft and should demand the same treatment of all people in all countries of the union and trying to get the same conditions for all of them, may they live in Spain, Greece, Belgium or the rich Germany.

English: The Fall of the Berlin Wall, 1989. Th...

English: The Fall of the Berlin Wall, 1989. The photo shows a part of a public photo documentation wall at Former Check Point Charlie, Berlin. The photo documentation is permanently placed in the public. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

While its contemporary form differs from classic nation-building and cultural homogenization, ‘integration’ discourses always combine nationalism and liberalism, and are primarily a matter of control, of the government’s need to demonstrate its ability to manage diversity. (Titley and Lentin 2011:201-204)

Some westerners want that other people take over their values and are not happy when others keep up their traditions. Those who keep celebrating their own festivals are considered by many not integrating. when we look at the work situations many European Muslims are generally well-integrated in the economic and political sense, but allegedly fall short of the expectation to internalize what is often called ‘Western values’ or Judeo-Christian values.

The ‘assimilation’ required is more a taking over of the attitudes and actions been labelled as ‘normal’.  The politicians also look at the successful immigration that one were there is a one-way adjustment. They seem to overlook that those minorities do not ‘disturb’ mainstream society and become as much as possible like the majority. When we look sincerely non-predisposed we will clearly see that there is much more in common with those immigrants and other people in that state than the prejudiced proclaim.

A survey by John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed’s (2007) worldwide Gallup poll on Muslim views shows that a vast majority of Muslims (as opposed to the extremist minority usually highlighted by Western media) see ‘Western’ and ‘Muslim’ values as compatible, and support free speech, democracy and gender equality, which most women and the majority of men see as compatible with their religion.Islam Woman w Veil

Too many people are ignoring the fact that it can be as interesting to integrate the two values of the religious thinking with each other, neither assimilating “Western values” nor separating from the West.

Talking with several Muslim immigrants you can hear that they are nuanced in their criticism of the West; they mostly admire Western democracy, but lament the
breakdown of traditional (family) values and criticize specific (foreign) policies.  In the real ‘traditional Muslim families’ “Western culture” is not rejected, but they would prefer their own model of democracy, which may include sharia (in its diverse interpretations) as a source of legislation, but reject that religious leaders should have a role in law-making (theocracy). They want to improve relations with the West, but are asking for greater respect for the Islamic religion. Form many of them Europeans and Americans are living a life to be ashamed of, and when you look at certain television programs and some printed magazines you can not blame them, for having such a look down at our indecorous behaviour. Immorality seems to stand on the first place in the capitalist world. Those who really love God would also detest such a society and prefer to live otherwise. We also should not ignore the free sexual behaviour,  the greed and envy with great materialism
and ‘egoism’, sometimes seen by Muslims as characteristics of Western society, but
more accurately seen as characteristics of modern capitalist society.

It is getting time that politicians and religious people come out in the clear and talk openly about their community and tell the others what they expect.Friends Joining hands
They should try together to take away the unfounded and irrational fear of Islam and of the many other religions of the immigrating people and of those of the people already living for decennia in the region.

The people in charge of the community should show to their citizens that it is unfounded to think that Muslims do not want to integrate and that they have ‘unreasonable demands’, ‘mixed loyalties’ and ‘support extremism’. By giving themselves to be better know Muslims also can help to get rid of the label of ‘obscurantism’ and their incompatibility of values.

Christian Stokke looks at the western logic being in itself “the last bastion of Eurocentrism”, “the gap between Western cultural formations and universal values” (Sayyid, 2003:135-136) and he writes:

Both Islamic and western discourses can be understood as particularist interpretations of universal values. Thus, in Sayyid’s words, “it is not so much that some elements are western and others are not, but rather that eurocentrism operates by laying claim to the copyright on some things and rejecting others” (Sayyid 2003: 148). In other words, Eurocentrism ‘polices’ universal values by claiming that they are of western origin, an act that depends upon an essentialist view of the West (Sayyid 2003:151), and on the Orientalist claim that the ‘Other’ cannot represent itself without intervention from the West (Sayyid 2003:,149).

We should all consider:

Values like freedom, equality and justice are universal, but can be interpreted in more than one way. ‘Western’ attempts to
monopolize interpretation and universally impose its version, are no more legitimate than when reactionary Islamists do the same. Democracy implies that everyone is entitled to take part in reinterpretation and renegotiation of values, and the outcome of this never-ending process remains open as an empirical question for the future. It cannot be settled in advance; neither by theology nor by political philosophy.

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Migrants to the West #1

Migrants to the West #2


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  • Culture clashes can be moveable beasts (dailystar.com.lb)
    It is a fact that the notion of a clash of civilizations, first popularized by the American academic Samuel Huntington, is more relevant than ever in the minds of many people. Especially when it concerns Muslim-Western relations, there is a view that Muslim and Western values are incompatible. And yet Huntington’s argument that after the Cold War conflict would be defined not by ideology or economics, but by cultural differences, was prophetic as culture has become the principle basis for differentiation, even if it is often viewed in far too static a way.

    Huntington was prescient for realizing that the causes of conflict would shift away from ideological antagonism (though the argument with respect to economics was less persuasive), even if they remained firmly in the realm of ideas. However it is also true that, in his rendering, global relations seemed to reflect an apocalyptic vision – that of perennial discord and enmity.

    Acknowledging the complex undercurrents of the Arab revolts is necessary in order to grasp what is going on. The notion that there is something irreconcilable between the aspirations of Arab societies and those of Western societies is simplistic, and often wrong, just as it is equally naïve to expect Arab societies in ebullition will wholeheartedly embrace Western values, such as secularism, the primacy of the individual at the expense of the group, and so on.

  • The Cost of Islamic Incest (jericho777.wordpress.com)
    Several days ago, an interview with Nicolai Sennels on Muslim inbreeding was published but taken down soon after at the request of the author, as it was decided that several themes needed to be buffered by more evidence and research.
    There is a dire phenomenon rising in Europe that is crippling entire societies and yet the continent sleeps, refusing not only to confront the destructive elephant in the room, but also to admit its very existence.The troubling reality being referred to is the widespread practice of Muslim inbreeding and the birth defects and social ills that it spawns.

    Muslims, on the other hand, are bound together less by patriotism, but mainly by family relations and religion.

    Intermarrying to protect the family and community from outside non-Islamic influence is much more important to Muslims living in a Western nation than integrating into that nation and supporting it.

    Today, 70% of all Pakistanis are inbred and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30% (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 “More stillbirths among immigrants“).

    A rough estimate reveals that close to half of everybody living in the Arab world is inbred.

    A large percentage of the parents that are blood related come from families where intermarriage has been a tradition for generations.

    A BBC investigation in Britain several years ago revealed that at least 55% of the Pakistani community in Britain was married to a first cousin.

    The Times of India affirmed that “this is thought to be linked to the probability that a British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.”

    The BBC’s research also discovered that while British Pakistanis accounted for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.


  • Migrants change UK forever: White Britons ‘will be in minority by 2066’ (express.co.uk)
    There is nothing wrong with discussing the disparities between Western and Muslim values, but to lend to the discussion unchangeable qualities on both sides is to miss the adaptable nature of culture and the ability of humans to modify cultural reactions in changing environments.If one wants to question Huntington’s paradigm, it is in the sphere of perceptions where that has to be done. For many people in the West, the Arab uprisings since 2011 have been a case in point. These people have come to believe that what began as a yearning for democracy and freedom has ended up favouring Islamist groups (groups that believe there is a role for Islam in politics) that are neither particularly democratic nor tolerant of freedom, and who have usually sought restrictive legislation against women, a substantial portion of their populations.

    But the reality lies in the nuances. For example, in Egypt and Tunisia, the Muslim Brotherhood and Ennahda parties have taken over major state institutions. While they have allowed behaviour unheard of under the old regimes, they have also become increasingly contested as they have retained powers allowing them to restrict certain freedoms, such as freedom of expression, while riding roughshod over representative bodies.

    Acknowledging the complex undercurrents of the Arab revolts is necessary in order to grasp what is going on. The notion that there is something irreconcilable between the aspirations of Arab societies and those of western societies is simplistic, and often wrong, just as it is equally naïve to expect that Arab societies in ebullition will wholeheartedly embrace Western values, such as secularism, the primacy of the individual at the expense of the group, and so on.

    A mass influx of migrants has given the UK the fastest-rising percentage of ethnic minority and foreign-born populations.

    The report – which also reveals the huge impact of Labour’s open-door policy to immigration between 1997 and 2010 – says foreigners and non-white Britons living here will double by 2040 and make up one third of the UK population.

    Report author Professor David Coleman said: “On current trends European populations will become more ethnically diverse, with the possibility that today’s majority ethnic groups will no longer comprise a numerical majority.”


    Prof Coleman said migration has become the “primary driver of demographic change” – Daily Express

    The findings mean that the UK could overtake the United States as the world’s melting pot, with fewer people describing themselves as British or white.

  • Tolerance: What does Muslim-Western relations mean? (ionglobaltrends.com)
    Huntington was correct in looking toward culture as the boundary between Western and Eastern societies. But boundaries are ever-changing and values cross over between cultures by osmosis. To assume cultures are autarkic and unchanging is as erroneous as to assume that cultural distinctions are invariably resolvable. The truth about culture lies in the middle; values are transposable, which is why identity is most enthralling when they are tethered the least.
  • On the Muslim Question (3quarksdaily.com)
    In a series of chapters on sexuality, freedom of speech and democracy, Norton recognises that valid differences of orientation exist. But she does not always help her own case by making assertions that are variously vague, trivial or wrong. For example, she says that terrorism is the precursor to democracy (as if the course of the Arab spring was inevitable), that randomness is “terrifying” (so much for evolutionists), that “Germany has no neo-Nazis” (when they number upwards of 5,000), that the publishers of the Danish cartoons “intended to provoke” (and not just insult) Muslims, that the veil is “profoundly erotic” (for elderly women?), or that calling your sports team the Redskins “honours an old enemy” (tell that to Native Americans). But if the clash-of-civilisations approach is false, what options exist for addressing the differences presented by a Muslim minority in a western country?
  • The Muslim Patrol video and policing the body in the public space (cordeliadonohoe.wordpress.com)
    Our Christian secular culture, is having to deal with the sturm und drang of the Islamic world, both in World politics and within our own ideologies. These involve notions and ideas that can be overwhelming and incomprehensible to the West, not helped (in this video) by the fiery and self righteous indignation.  But what does it actually say about gender representations in the both East and Western cultures?Where a Western feminist can say that the commodification of womens bodies through  representation in sexual terms is an integral part of our oppression. It defines us in terms of age and visual desirability and limits us from person-hood and power, from a more Islamic perspective –  these images are actually dangerous to the social order. Women are seen as powerful sexual beings who pose a threat to society unless visually segregated away from the public space. Womens’ sexuality should be controlled within the family and covered in the public space because it is potentially the source of chaos.
  • German Muslims want official Muslim holidays in Germany (english.pravda.ru)
    The Central Council of Muslims in Germany proposed that federal authorities formalize two Islamic holidays as official holidays. This is not shocking news, as in some areas Muslims already have that right. Recent polls suggest that in the future the Turks want to see Germany as the country with a predominantly Muslim population. So far they have minimal representation in the legislature.
    The position of Muslims in Germany is quite strong. The former Federal President Christian Wulff generally believed that “Islam was part of Germany.” Some lands and cities with federal status (Hamburg, Bremen, Hesse, Baden-Württemberg) have approved the Muslim holidays as official. The mayor of the city of Hamburg (SPD), signing an agreement with the Muslim community, said that it would certainly be a revolutionary milestone in the history of the city. Despite religious and ethnic background, we are all citizens of Hamburg, he added. Indeed, the document provides not only the right not to work on Muslim holidays, but also free access of Muslim organizations to prisons, hospitals and schools, the ability to create theological universities and theological schools whose diplomas will be recognized on a legal level, teach the Koran courses in the public schools, and foundations of Islam on an optional basis.These are undoubtedly great achievements, but not a single land was able to legally allow a Muslim headscarf. Not only that, a conflict in one of the schools in 2003 ended with the ban on wearing it in eight of the 16 subjects of the German federation. However, Muslims in Germany periodically come up with new initiatives. Head of the Turkish Community in Germany Kenan Kolat said the Eid al-Fitr (Eid al Adha) should be a day off for all German students, not just for Muslims.
  • Islamophobic ‘Foreign Policy’ article compares Boston bombing and Palestinian resistance to occupation (mondoweiss.net)
    Boston bombings have given virulent propagandists and Islamophobes a field day. While various pundits and media personalities jumped to the Tsarnaev brothers’ religious identities as the singular motive for their alleged acts of violence, they focused on them as individuals, and how their thought processes could have been perverted by purported religious radicalization. What makes Shamir’s contention particularly disturbing is his sweeping generalization that all groups and individuals affiliated with Islam, from Hamas to the Muslim Brotherhood, to the Tsarnaevs and Sayyid Qutb, all had a particular end in mind—the obliteration of Western culture.
  • Islam And Immigration (personalliberty.com)
    It is becoming increasingly apparent that the Boston bombers rejected, rather than embraced, American values so much so that they sought to terrorize the Nation by killing and crippling women and children. I don’t see this type of behavior in immigrants to America or Canada who are Latino, Asian or Western European.“Islam is not just a religion,” writes Mark Steyn in his book, America Alone: The End of the World as we know It. “Those lefties who bemoan what America is doing to provoke ‘the Muslim world’ would go bananas if any Western politician started referring to ‘the Christian world.’… So it’s not merely that there’s a global jihad lurking within this religion, but that the religion itself is a political project — in a way that modern Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism are not.”
  • U.K Hospitals: Muslim Surgical Nurses, Actually All Muslim Nurses, No Longer Required To Wash Their Hands…. (theconservativetreehouse.com)
    When we encode multiculturalist school policy, we have a recursive loop of disaster. When we cannot criticize Islam, we cannot teach that much of Western history has been about fighting Islam. We must erase the concept that our defending Europe against Islamic invasion led the way to the Enlightenment and, ultimately, to our political freedoms. And when our school children are taught not to value our Western culture, they will not feel any sense of pride, have reasons to defend the civic virtues that make England strong, or possess a desire to protect their homeland.
    Islam Demonstration

About Marcus Ampe

Retired dancer, choreographer, choreologist Founder of the Dance impresario office and archive: Danscontact-Dansarchief plus the Association for Bible scholars, the Lifestyle magazines "Stepping Toes" and "From Guestwriters" and creator of the site "Messiah for all". - Gepensioneerd danser, choreograaf, choreoloog. Stichter van Danscontact-Dansarchief plus van de Vereniging voor Bijbelvorsers, de Lifestyle magazines "Stepping Toes" en "From Guestwriters" en maker van de site "Messiah for all".
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